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I know that you're having
a great deal of difficulty...
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...being able to differentiate
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between what's real
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and what's in your head.
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With our Disney Plus series,
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we wanted to see more of the characters
we'd introduced on the big screen,
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but there were also characters
who we wanted to
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introduce whole cloth for the first time
on Disney Plus.
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Moon Knight was at the top of that list.
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Moon Knight is a spectacular character,
he's got an incredibly unique visual look.
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He's a much more action-oriented character
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in a way we haven't seen in a while
in the MCU.
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Any time we think about
adapting a comic book character,
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we always think about
what it is at its core,
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what it is on an essential level.
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And you can't really make
a Moon Knight show
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without embracing that darkness,
without embracing that chaos.
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In the Marvel universe,
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Moon Knight first made his appearance
in 1975 in Werewolf By Night,
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and then he became the avatar
of the Egyptian God Khonshu.
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If you look at his origin story
in the comics,
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it's very Egyptology-centric
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and that's what makes this
different and unique.
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Kevin brought that up
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really early on
in the development process.
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He said, "If we can bring that
into our show,
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"wrapped in a little bit of
an Indiana Jones-esque adventure,
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"that's a show
that will sustain six hours."
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-I just go at it fully?
-Yeah, go in the camera.
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Like, it goes...
It's gotta give me the effect of...
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-Okay.
-He's getting the vibes.
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Mohamed Diab
is an Egyptian filmmaker.
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So collaborative, so confident,
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who came in and really had a point of view
with the story.
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I wanna show you the last thing.
This is my daughter's art.
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And look at this. It's Moon Knight.
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Aw, yay! Oh, right on.
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I read the first two episodes
and the summary of the rest of the show.
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We just, like, delved into it,
me and Sarah.
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Sarah is my wife
and a producer on the show.
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And we had this 200-page pitch.
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He came up with a pitch
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that really centered on
the Egyptology of it all,
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and that was something Kevin was
focusing on from day one,
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is the Egyptology, the adventure of it.
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It was in
that original pitch meeting
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where we all knew that he was gonna be
the best shepherd for Moon Knight,
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and you can see it.
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You can see it as you
watch the show...
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There's so much visual foreshadowing.
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There's just so much detail
in his thinking
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that it really sent a current, I think,
out throughout
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the cast and the crew and everyone
who touched the show to think in that way.
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As much as you can,
when you're doing this...
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I wasn't aware of Moon Knight before that.
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Sometimes that works
as an advantage or a disadvantage.
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For my case,
I feel it worked as an advantage.
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I wasn't attached to anything except
to make a good story.
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One thing we realized
very early on is when you have
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six hours of narrative,
when you have four or five countries,
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it was gonna take a bit more
of a team effort.
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AARON MOORHEAD:
Let's do it again, but drop it...
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Having Benson and Moorhead
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along with Mohamed Diab
as our head director really paid off.
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- Hey, guys. I'm sorry.
- Your XLR kit fell off.
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- Sorry. Missed you guys.
- Missed you, too.
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Yeah.
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Our first introduction
to you was your movie Clash.
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And Aaron and I watched that movie
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and we both took a long pause
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and said, "I guess
we're not filmmakers..."
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- "...if he's a filmmaker."
-Yeah.
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I loved your films.
I know it's like a ping-pong right now,
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I have to say the same thing.
But I loved The Endless
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and I loved it before I met you,
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and I thought,
"Wow, those guys have something."
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So, when we got the chance to work
together, that was a big thing for me.
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When we were kicking this off
in the writer's room,
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one thing that became evident
really quickly was
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Moon Knight does not have any current
connections to the MCU.
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And narratively, it became really freeing
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and allowed us to really play
with a character
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that didn't have to abide by
any pre-ordained narrative rules.
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The thing that's always been incredible
to me as a fan of Moon Knight,
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is that every creator kind of comes in
and puts their own spin on the material.
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We were able to kind of cherry pick all of
our favorite things from the various runs.
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But it's also a daunting task because
how do you distill 40 years of weirdness,
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into a six-hour show
and have it still make sense?
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Having this huge history of
40 years of comic books,
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you have so much to dig from.
And the best thing about Marvel,
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they allow us to get maybe
the origin of a character
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- and play with it the way you want.
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For us, it was about the story.
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Like, no one ever told us,
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"Okay, there's something in the comic book
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"that we need to put
because it's in the comic book."
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We would go through every
Moon Knight comic that ever existed
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and just trying to find particularly
iconic imagery that we connected with.
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Usually, it was the more mind-bending
stuff like
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the image of pulling the white off
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and seeing the flesh underneath
on a white back... Those types of images.
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When Moon Knight
was first written,
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Marc Spector was basically just a guy
who had different identities.
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Marc Spector was a mercenary, Steven Grant
was kind of the millionaire about town
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and then there was Jake Lockley,
the cab driver.
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And depending on what information
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Marc Spector needed at that time
as Moon Knight,
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he went in different identities.
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Over the years, the different identities
morphed into different personalities
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and those different personalities
morphed into what we know now
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as dissociative identity disorder.
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I feel like comic creators started
taking really interesting risks
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with the character of Moon Knight,
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and that's where you started to see
things like his struggles with DID
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And his mental health
really kind of came to the forefront.
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And it took this character who was really
introduced as just sort of,
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"Hey, he's a guy, he dresses up in white,
fights werewolves.
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"What else do you need to know?"
It really gave him some complexity
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and really made him a character
that was fascinating.
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Moon Knight is a character that
for years in the comics
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has struggled with mental illness.
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The opportunity to tap into somebody
that faces those challenges
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in a respectful way
was very important to us.
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Because of all of those different
elements, you need a spectacular actor.
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All right, guten tag.
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We'd talked to Oscar
a number of times.
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We knew he was interested in our world,
we'd never found the right fit.
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And we weren't sure
he would be interested in Moon Knight,
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we weren't sure he'd be interested
in doing a show on Disney Plus.
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But he was completely into it
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and he's been such a creative collaborator
and creative partner.
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When I was approached by Kevin Feige
with Moon Knight,
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I had never heard of it.
I collected comics
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when I was younger, you know,
X-Men and, uh,
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X-Force and a few others.
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And so, the first thing
was to kinda do a deep dive
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on the character and its history.
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Going back through the comics,
it's shifted and changed so much.
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It's so rich. It's pretty vast.
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put a lens on the things
that we found the most interesting,
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or that, like,
had the most dramatic juice.
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And ultimately, taking the mental health
aspect about it incredibly seriously
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and really committing to
what I really wanted to do,
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which is a character study,
a point-of-view experience.
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DID is dissociative
identity disorder,
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which is previously called
multiple personality disorder.
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At the end,
it's a fictionalized depiction of DID,
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but I think we tried our best in the show
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to try and understand it
and delve deeper into it.
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The first thing I did
once I did finally sign on
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was to delve into DID
and what it's like.
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And there's an incredible book
by Robert Oxnam
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called A Fractured Mind.
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And that ended up
being like my bible to me,
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you know, because this is someone
who didn't realize he had DID
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until he was in his forties.
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He just thought that he was alcoholic
and he had some trouble in his life,
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and, you know, lo and behold, suddenly,
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he finds out he's got eight different
people living inside of him.
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They're eight different alters.
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And so, that was astounding.
And the fact that, um,
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that in itself is a kind of superpower,
you know.
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How incredible human beings are,
that in order to survive
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horrible, horrible trauma
at a very young age.
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It's a survival mechanism
that kicks into place
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where the brain creates other people
within his psyche
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to be able to shoulder that trauma.
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Everyone who will watch this show
and everyone who worked on this show
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will have some sort of relationship
with mental health.
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And it was on everyone's mind
the whole time on the show
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to make sure that we tell
a story that's thoughtful.
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It doesn't have to be about something
as specific. It can actually be,
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teach you about just something
we've all experienced,
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which is trying to care for and be with
somebody that's struggling.
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Let's go. Thank you...
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Our head writer Jeremy Slater,
one thing he was very passionate about
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is really making episodes 101 and 102
Steven's episodes.
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I always knew that
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starting the show with Marc
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Because in our show,
Marc is a very closed-off character.
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We would be fighting an uphill battle
for the entirety of the series.
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I really looked at Steven Grant and said,
"That's a story I know how to tell."
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Once you're onboard with
who Steven Grant is as a character,
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you're in for the entire run.
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I have to give it to Marvel
and Jeremy Slater.
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I think one of the most brilliant things
in the show was the idea of
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seeing the world through Steven's eyes.
I loved that.
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Starting with a mystery altogether, like,
episode one is a big question mark,
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which is, "What's going on?"
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- Right?
- Yeah.
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And sometimes, there's a temptation
to get through it
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so you can see
Moon Knight beat somebody up.
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We don't see that
until the end of episode two.
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It takes almost the entire length of
a feature film until you see
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- the titular Moon Knight doing anything.
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And that was really exciting,
when we actually had to play with mystery.
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I got sent some early drafts
of a couple of the episodes
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and I saw that the story had been
transplanted from New York to London,
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but the characters were
still written as American.
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But that got me thinking,
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"Was there space to create
a character that would be a good foil
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"for what you expect
from like a mercenary, tough hero?"
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I thought, "Well, since it's being set
in London, what if Steven's English?"
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And then I started coming up with
this character around the house
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and doing it for my kids.
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And my oldest son just really started
falling in love with Steven.
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And he would laugh.
So that made me feel like,
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"All right, maybe there's something here.
I'm onto something."
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I don't know what this
has to do with Egypt.
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They didn't have that
back then, did they? No.
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They liked figs and dates.
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We're standing
in Steven's apartment.
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We decided to do an attic,
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because it's recalling
a shape of a pyramid.
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Two, one. Camera. Action!
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We did his bed under a platform
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as if he's in a sarcophagus as well.
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As if he's, you know,
a little bit tombed in.
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When we first started shooting,
the first two months was all Steven.
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This process was one of completely
falling in love,
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particularly with Steven.
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Can you take this downstairs, please?
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Will you, please, give me a second,
Donna, with your beetles?
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I can't remember the last time that
I just loved being in this character.
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So, getting to set, I just wanted to stay
in the accent and stay in character.
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So, we get to change in an hour?
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-Yeah, yeah, it's in your...
- Yeah. All right.
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-Same jacket.
- Great.
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I wouldn't describe myself
as method at all.
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I just didn't want to be shy about it
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and I didn't want to be
second-guessing it.
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And so, for me
it was more about just, like,
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stay in it so that I can just trust
that it's always there
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and I can put my energy onto other things,
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like playing the scene
and doing the things
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and figuring out the blocking
and all that.
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Oh, my God.
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For me, the tone of the
show is born entirely out of character.
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We're learning about the mythology
of Moon Knight and the stakes of the story
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through a character
who is as new to it as we are.
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Oh, man! This is mental.
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The show is a globe-trotting
adventure with a supernatural bent.
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There's also
sprinkles of horror in there.
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I think the fun thing about Moon Knight
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and I think it's the fun thing
that really echoes throughout the MCU,
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ultimately, when you do
peel back those layers,
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you realize that it is a character story.
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And I do think that is one of the things
that Oscar Isaac gravitated towards.
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I'm losing it, man.
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I've already lost it.
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I just...
I can't tell the difference between my...
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My waking life and my dreams, I guess.
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Really, the key was Steven,
because Steven is sincere and also funny,
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but also 100% sincerely terrified
about what's happening,
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that that allows for
a multitude of different reactions
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that all still live in the same world.
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...to blast you out of my head!
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-Yep.
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So, while he can be laughing,
or making kind of a joke,
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or terrified, you know, of something
really horrible and monstrous,
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at the same time,
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you can really be dealing with
actual realistic childhood trauma.
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And then at the same time,
a talking hippo is with you.
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Because it's already been set up
as this psychological point of view,
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I think you're able to go with it.
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- Hold the door! Thank you.
- Whoa!
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OLIVIER SCHNEIDER:
Fight-wise or stunt-wise,
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Steven Grant is just a regular guy.
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That's the most complicated things to do,
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when you have to choreograph a fight
with someone story-wise
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who doesn't know how to fight.
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I love that because, I think even if you
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didn't practice any martial arts,
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or you've never been
involved in a fight for real,
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you still can have
that instinct to survive.
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You still have that instinct
to protect yourself.
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Six!
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I prefer cricket.
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Another idea of Oscar was
to bring a touch of humor.
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He could be a little bit goofy sometime,
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but sometimes, a fight of being goofy
could save his life.
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Jackal. Jackal!
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I think Moon Knight costume,
the two characters that we have
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are not like anything you saw
in the Marvel universe.
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This is something coming from
the imagination of a person
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inspired by an old God.
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Mr. Knight is what Steven
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imagines is cool.
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James Bond, something like that, right?
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A dapper gentleman that's
a trickster and strong and funny.
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Oy, Steven, what the hell are we wearing?
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I don't know. She said I needed a suit.
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For Mr. Knight,
we have a custom three-piece suit.
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We took references from the comic.
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We really wanted to make sure
to bring in a little texture
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and not have it be flat white.
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So when the light hits it,
there's a slight lamé that comes out
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to have a little brilliance to the suit.
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It has a waistcoat with custom buttons,
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the Khonshu symbol.
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We adapted a sneaker because I wanted
to give it a modernized look.
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Mohamed, our director,
wanted them to have some straps on them
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in homage to mummies.
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Meghan did such an amazing job.
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And yeah, and it just became
this great joke in it,
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where he's supposed to do the "suit,"
but doesn't know what that means.
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Well, I do look sharp, though.
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- All right, where is the scarab?
- Scarab, oh...
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What's this?
What are these little poles for?
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The truncheons are used
both by Moon Knight and by Mr. Knight.
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In the original comic,
they had them housed on the lower leg,
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but for our purposes, because we wanted
the size to be a little bit bigger,
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we just had them just coming from behind
the back underneath the cape,
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or from underneath the jacket.
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Pretty cool, actually.
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Here's an interesting little tidbit.
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Originally, Marc had the Mr. Knight outfit
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and Steven had the Moon Knight outfit.
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And then as Steven became this
very, you know, English bloke,
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it's like, "I feel like
Steven's Mr. Knight. Don't we think that?"
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And then they were like,
"We were thinking the same thing."
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And so, then that got switched.
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All right, time out.
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That's it, time out!
Guys, let's all calm down, yeah?
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We're all worked up.
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Let's all just, like, chill the F out
and talk for a second...
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Take the body.
Take the body, take the body, Marc.
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Moon Knight
has such an iconic silhouette
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that we knew the ballpark
we wanted to stay in.
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Cowl, mask, cape.
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And then it came down to
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what were the subtle cues we wanted
to play with within the wardrobe itself.
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I think it makes
a really, really cool drawing,
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and for me that is Moon Knight.
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But once you actually
put it on a real person,
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you start imagining how
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an Egyptian God put SWAT team armor
on somebody, you know?
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And it feels a little wrong.
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The design of it was a process,
a collaborative process.
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Everyone chipped in.
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Oscar came in and he had
a couple of great ideas about it.
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The costume was a big point of
conversation in those early days.
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Ultimately, Ryan Meinerding stepped in
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and came up with this concept design,
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that as soon as it showed up,
everyone looked at it, and we're like,
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"I have not seen that
and that's freaking terrifying."
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All over Moon Knight's legs,
there are hieroglyphic inscriptions.
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Ancient Egyptian language did not have
the word "knight" in it.
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It didn't exist.
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So I had to come up with
"The Protecting Soldier of the Moon."
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Ancient Egyptian Moon Knight.
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We worked with Marvel
and their concept artists
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and also, obviously Meghan Kasperlik,
who's the costume designer on the show
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to kind of take that concept on
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and turn this comic book hero
into something real.
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Yeah, the gold is lovely.
But, Kieran, can you move your arms okay?
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- All good.
-Intrinsically,
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it needs to look like wrapped bandages.
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And in reality, that makes this
an extremely difficult garment to make.
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'Cause obviously, each individual piece
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is an individual piece
that's stitched together
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and also still has to fit skintight
on the human body.
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So we've had to
find fabrics with the right stretch
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and then we've printed
the bandage textures onto them
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and obviously dyed those fabrics as well.
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We're trying to keep it light and cool so
you don't overheat when you're wearing it
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and we're trying to keep it stretchy.
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At the same time making sure
that the fabrics and everything in it
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are robust enough to take falls
and heavy stunt work.
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The Moon Knight costume
and how it formed,
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it was a long journey
getting something that
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I think everyone was feeling good about.
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Just because we have seen
so many different transformations
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in so many different movies
and superhero projects,
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we tried a lot of different things
but wanted to make sure that
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it felt like it was
a magical transformation.
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But not something
that was coming from too far away,
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we wanted it to feel like it was coming
from close to his person.
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All right. Do it.
Take control. For now.
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So much of it was
real layering of materials
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that made this costume feel more real
in the end.
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Even though I know it was a lot of work
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for the team that put
the actual costume together
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and for Meghan and her team
to actually get it done,
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having new material
for us to photograph
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and to see how it moved was critical.
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You can describe Moon Knight
as being almost Marc's id.
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Him in his most unleashed,
his most unfeeling,
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his most violent, his most vengeful.
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-I think we struggled with Marc.
-Mmm-hmm.
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We struggled
to find him on the page.
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Steven is very easy to digest.
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Right away, you fall in love with him
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- from the third scene or something.
- Mmm-hmm.
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And I was so scared from episode three
that people just don't connect to Marc.
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Who is he? He's not as fun,
he's not as sympathetic, he's not.
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The first time we ever met Marc on set,
it was like the air came out of the room,
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'cause he was in this... Not Oscar,
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Marc in the scene
was in this horrible mood.
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And so, you know, the whole mood
changed from bubbly, fun Steven
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to "All right, time to focus, everybody."
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At first I was unsure,
and so I said,
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"I don't wanna film any Marc things
on the same day as Steven.
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Can we figure it out
so we can do 'em on different days,
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so I can keep them really distinct?"
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Okay, here we go.
Stand by. And action!
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I didn't do that.
I am protecting her from Khonshu.
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00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:41,150
You don't know what you're talking about.
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He's got his eyes on her. He wants her
as my replacement. I'm never...
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You don't know what
you're talking about, Steven.
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Just shut up.
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And, by the way, Marc isn't
Oscar's regular voice, either.
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You know, that's a completely
invented accent.
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Listen to me, buddy. Hey, listen to me.
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Get away from that bag.
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Get away from that bag.
You're gonna get her killed.
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Giving Marc a bit of a Chicago thing
going on
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and then really delving into
the lore of the comics,
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and giving him a lower register of voice,
a different way of standing
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and finding the physicality
to make them very, very, distinct.
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Cut!
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I started to find,
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as I got more comfortable with
these two different people,
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I started to develop the muscle
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to be able to transition
between the two easier.
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And then, as it went on,
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that started to feel like
the real magic trick.
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00:23:38,874 --> 00:23:42,044
For the timing,
do you want me to say the lines of Steven?
430
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So you know
how long to stay on the reflection for?
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Beautiful, yeah.
432
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There's a scene on the cliff,
433
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Marc talks to Steven and then we go back
to Oscar like three, four times.
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00:23:52,429 --> 00:23:55,057
What the hell's wrong with you, Steven?
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Me? You're the one
going on a killing spree.
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What he did was magical.
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I'm just changing the camera
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00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,774
and he's changing as a human being,
from Marc to Steven.
439
00:24:03,857 --> 00:24:06,860
And Marc and Steven are completely
different and it's not easy for Oscar.
440
00:24:06,944 --> 00:24:09,822
I suggest you stop listening
to that stupid pigeon.
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Stay out of my way.
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By the end, it was really fun
because you could just see,
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in just the eyes,
you could see when there was a shift.
444
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You didn't even have to change,
you could see,
445
00:24:19,248 --> 00:24:21,166
"Oh, there's Marc. Marc's here,"
446
00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:24,044
and that was really exciting.
447
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I can look at a still photo of him
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and know if he's playing Steven or Marc.
Nothing different.
449
00:24:31,343 --> 00:24:34,513
It's just he holds himself differently.
Immediately.
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When we think back on it,
we spent time with
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three people in the same body
over that time period of shooting.
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00:24:40,728 --> 00:24:43,981
We all got to know Oscar
and then we all got to know Steven
453
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- and then we all got to know Marc.
- Yeah.
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When you have an amazing hero,
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when you set the bar that high
with an Oscar Isaac,
456
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you then go, "Okay, what do we do
with the villain?"
457
00:24:57,077 --> 00:24:59,413
The fact that Ethan Hawke
came into the mix,
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those are two dream castings.
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Very different than
the discoveries that we've made, right?
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00:25:05,169 --> 00:25:07,796
Those are two very big,
very established stars
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that we are very lucky to have
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come into our world
and inhabit these characters.
463
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She was betrayed.
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-Was she?
-By indolent fellow Gods.
465
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Oh.
466
00:25:18,515 --> 00:25:19,808
By even her own Avatar.
467
00:25:19,892 --> 00:25:23,103
The Avatars, too?
Blue people, right? Love that film.
468
00:25:23,187 --> 00:25:25,397
- By avatar, what I mean...
- You mean the anime?
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Steven. Stop it. Stop it.
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00:25:27,858 --> 00:25:30,819
I had seen some of Mohamed Diab's movies
471
00:25:30,903 --> 00:25:34,323
and we were talking about making
a little indie sci-fi movie.
472
00:25:34,531 --> 00:25:38,577
We were, like, about to start
and we got this job and I asked him,
473
00:25:38,660 --> 00:25:40,579
"Can you wait for a year?"
And he said yes.
474
00:25:40,662 --> 00:25:44,333
And it was just like we clicked, and we
felt like we wanna do something together.
475
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:46,460
I had been watching Good Lord Bird
476
00:25:46,543 --> 00:25:49,004
and it was just, like,
a staggering performance.
477
00:25:49,087 --> 00:25:51,089
As Mohamed and I were talking
about Harrow,
478
00:25:51,173 --> 00:25:54,551
I said, "Hey, man, you know, what about
Ethan? Wouldn't Ethan be great?"
479
00:25:54,635 --> 00:25:56,929
Mohamed said,
"Yes, I love Ethan. I know Ethan.
480
00:25:57,012 --> 00:26:00,098
"I think that'd be so good. That's such
a great idea, we should do that."
481
00:26:00,182 --> 00:26:02,893
I think it was the very next day,
I went down to my coffee shop
482
00:26:02,976 --> 00:26:04,019
and there Ethan was.
483
00:26:04,102 --> 00:26:06,939
And I had seen him around,
but I never had talked to him.
484
00:26:07,022 --> 00:26:09,942
And he's like, "Hey, I heard
you talked to Mohamed the other day."
485
00:26:10,025 --> 00:26:13,403
He goes, "I'm playing the Moon Knight."
And I was like, "I didn't know that."
486
00:26:13,487 --> 00:26:16,532
And he's "You should be the villain.
Mohamed and I talked about it."
487
00:26:16,615 --> 00:26:18,367
It was a very easy yes.
488
00:26:18,450 --> 00:26:20,452
I mean, I never even
thought twice about it.
489
00:26:31,713 --> 00:26:33,924
What's so interesting
about the comics
490
00:26:34,007 --> 00:26:35,926
is they don't have a defining villain.
491
00:26:36,009 --> 00:26:38,762
And that allowed us to try to really,
492
00:26:38,845 --> 00:26:41,431
what aspects of some of the villains
do we want to keep.
493
00:26:41,848 --> 00:26:45,811
What aspects really help the origin story?
494
00:26:46,562 --> 00:26:51,692
You know, what I believe he started out as
was a shady billionaire, sort of.
495
00:26:51,775 --> 00:26:54,278
- Something like that, right?
- Yes, that's how it started.
496
00:26:54,361 --> 00:26:56,863
And then changing him to
essentially a cult leader.
497
00:26:56,947 --> 00:27:02,494
But we talked a lot with Ethan
about how to make that real because,
498
00:27:02,577 --> 00:27:07,791
you know, his zealousness and his belief
is for a world without pain.
499
00:27:08,083 --> 00:27:12,129
And that's, for us, you know, a much more
interesting character than someone
500
00:27:12,212 --> 00:27:14,548
that just has maliciousness at heart,
you know?
501
00:27:14,631 --> 00:27:18,468
The idea in episode six when he goes
to Ammit and tell her, "Take my life."
502
00:27:18,552 --> 00:27:22,514
He's not one of those villains who are
actually trying to get their ways because
503
00:27:22,597 --> 00:27:24,808
"I wanna control the world."
He doesn't care.
504
00:27:24,891 --> 00:27:26,810
Your Scales lack balance.
505
00:27:27,686 --> 00:27:30,772
I accept the Scales
regardless of the outcome.
506
00:27:32,524 --> 00:27:35,485
Most people who commit
terrible crimes don't think...
507
00:27:35,569 --> 00:27:38,071
They wake up in the morning and go,
"I'm a bad guy."
508
00:27:38,155 --> 00:27:41,033
They have their reasons.
Hell is paved with their reasons.
509
00:27:41,116 --> 00:27:46,872
And so, I had to come up with his reasons
and make them as rational and sane
510
00:27:46,955 --> 00:27:48,415
and compelling as possible.
511
00:27:49,916 --> 00:27:53,420
When you think about
cult leaders throughout history,
512
00:27:53,545 --> 00:27:55,797
megalomaniacs,
513
00:27:55,881 --> 00:28:01,094
they very often,
at least start out extremely idealistic.
514
00:28:01,178 --> 00:28:05,015
You see real, moral aspirations
in a lot of these people.
515
00:28:05,098 --> 00:28:09,770
And so I tried to tap into
what he believes, and that if...
516
00:28:09,853 --> 00:28:11,938
You have to believe that
you're really helping.
517
00:28:12,439 --> 00:28:16,902
We are here to make the Earth
as much like Heaven as possible.
518
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:19,696
Who'd like to go first?
519
00:28:20,405 --> 00:28:23,992
I think that most successful villains
in the history of Marvel
520
00:28:24,076 --> 00:28:27,913
are the couple of villains
that actually have some gray in them,
521
00:28:27,996 --> 00:28:29,664
like Killmonger or Thanos.
522
00:28:29,748 --> 00:28:32,334
People actually thought, "You know what?
You have a point."
523
00:28:32,417 --> 00:28:36,713
And I hope Harrow is... People are gonna
feel that about him. He has a logic.
524
00:28:36,797 --> 00:28:39,174
Yeah, there's a logic.
And then there is also...
525
00:28:39,257 --> 00:28:42,427
It's very clear
that this guy comes from a lot of pain.
526
00:28:42,511 --> 00:28:47,015
Comes from a lot of pain, and that he has
a humanity to him via that pain.
527
00:28:48,558 --> 00:28:52,187
We got the pleasure of being able to
direct the opening scene of episode one
528
00:28:52,395 --> 00:28:54,898
- that originally was to open episode two.
-Yeah.
529
00:28:54,981 --> 00:28:57,776
We wish we could take
credit for it, but we can't.
530
00:28:57,859 --> 00:28:59,736
We have to lay it at the feet
of Ethan Hawke.
531
00:28:59,820 --> 00:29:03,406
He came up with this idea
that was a brilliant introduction scene.
532
00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:05,492
That's why you hire Ethan Hawke.
533
00:29:05,575 --> 00:29:08,703
You just watched somebody put glass
in their shoe and walk away with a cane.
534
00:29:08,787 --> 00:29:11,540
And then, you know, scenes later,
535
00:29:11,623 --> 00:29:14,584
this guy comes crunching down the road.
536
00:29:14,668 --> 00:29:16,169
And you already know who he is,
537
00:29:16,253 --> 00:29:18,713
you already know that
this guy's pretty messed up.
538
00:29:18,797 --> 00:29:23,885
And it just creates so much mystery
and interest in who this person is,
539
00:29:23,969 --> 00:29:25,929
and that was all him.
540
00:29:26,012 --> 00:29:31,560
The idea of that cold open, we took it
and we played with it in the table reads.
541
00:29:31,643 --> 00:29:35,480
I think it was Grant who said
we should pay off the shoes,
542
00:29:35,564 --> 00:29:37,732
- it shouldn't just be an oddity.
-Smart.
543
00:29:37,816 --> 00:29:40,068
Anything that is planted,
it has to have repercussions,
544
00:29:40,151 --> 00:29:41,695
that domino effect of everything.
545
00:29:41,778 --> 00:29:44,531
And a lot of things just, like, got born
546
00:29:44,614 --> 00:29:46,825
- through those table reads.
-Yeah.
547
00:29:48,326 --> 00:29:49,911
Hey, you see that, don't you?
548
00:29:51,162 --> 00:29:54,040
Oh, yeah, I see it. I see it.
549
00:29:54,124 --> 00:29:57,752
Grant Curtis, our producer,
I give him so much credit for this too
550
00:29:57,836 --> 00:30:01,089
and Kevin and everybody at Marvel,
that they gave us the space to do this.
551
00:30:01,172 --> 00:30:04,759
We would have weekly table reads
of the episodes
552
00:30:04,843 --> 00:30:06,761
and just ask tons of questions
553
00:30:06,845 --> 00:30:08,847
and get in there like mechanics,
you know?
554
00:30:09,097 --> 00:30:13,768
It evolved into something that was
way more deeply philosophical.
555
00:30:14,185 --> 00:30:19,482
It became super collaborative with Marvel
and the performers and you guys,
556
00:30:19,566 --> 00:30:24,321
where we ended up kind of re-understanding
the character just from a character level.
557
00:30:24,404 --> 00:30:27,032
We created, I think, an environment
558
00:30:27,115 --> 00:30:29,659
that allowed people to
speak their mind narratively,
559
00:30:29,743 --> 00:30:31,244
there was never judgment.
560
00:30:31,328 --> 00:30:33,330
Just, "Yeah, what's best for my character?
561
00:30:33,413 --> 00:30:35,874
"I'm throwing this out there,
bounce ideas back and forth."
562
00:30:35,957 --> 00:30:39,544
And it made our scripts and our stories
and our series much better.
563
00:30:39,627 --> 00:30:41,963
When on set,
it was how do we make this work?
564
00:30:42,047 --> 00:30:44,132
How do we make this
the most honest it can be?
565
00:30:44,215 --> 00:30:47,302
And we were all on the same page and so,
566
00:30:47,385 --> 00:30:51,306
that's why I think it feels seamless
with Aaron and Justin, with Mohamed,
567
00:30:51,389 --> 00:30:53,600
'cause we were all talking about
all those things.
568
00:30:53,683 --> 00:30:55,769
I mean, it was all out there in the open.
569
00:30:56,686 --> 00:30:58,855
May was on the table with us.
570
00:30:59,356 --> 00:31:02,734
- She was a strong fighter for Layla.
-Mmm-hmm.
571
00:31:02,859 --> 00:31:06,279
Layla wouldn't have been
the way she was without May.
572
00:31:06,363 --> 00:31:07,739
- Without a doubt.
- Uh,
573
00:31:07,822 --> 00:31:09,783
she was like between her and Sarah
574
00:31:09,866 --> 00:31:13,078
being the female voices in the room,
I think the two of them
575
00:31:13,161 --> 00:31:15,747
and Egyptians knowing who she is,
576
00:31:15,872 --> 00:31:18,208
the struggles that she had to go through.
577
00:31:18,291 --> 00:31:19,459
Casting Layla wasn't easy
578
00:31:19,542 --> 00:31:22,378
because I knew from the beginning
that it's not just a role,
579
00:31:22,504 --> 00:31:26,549
it represents a whole group of people,
around the world.
580
00:31:27,258 --> 00:31:29,135
I love May as an actress,
581
00:31:29,219 --> 00:31:30,845
but it was very important for me
582
00:31:31,054 --> 00:31:33,765
as an Arab to find someone
who can represent us.
583
00:31:33,848 --> 00:31:36,601
- So no one's gonna be here?
- Yeah, you wanna just be giving...
584
00:31:37,644 --> 00:31:42,023
Mohamed went for actors that I think
he just intuitively know commit,
585
00:31:42,315 --> 00:31:45,860
just commit fully
and are not afraid to look silly doing it
586
00:31:46,027 --> 00:31:48,196
or, you know, whatever it takes.
587
00:31:48,530 --> 00:31:53,409
At every turn, she was completely game
and also had wonderful ideas
588
00:31:53,576 --> 00:31:56,287
about this character
and about giving her a real voice.
589
00:31:56,412 --> 00:31:58,581
Just so you know,
I'm not here to help you.
590
00:31:59,582 --> 00:32:02,752
I'm here for me and for everyone else
who would die if Harrow succeeds.
591
00:32:02,877 --> 00:32:04,504
I struggled a lot in the beginning.
592
00:32:04,629 --> 00:32:06,464
As like quite a vulnerable person,
593
00:32:06,548 --> 00:32:10,635
I had this idea of, like,
Layla has to be really strong
594
00:32:10,718 --> 00:32:13,930
and she doesn't have feelings
and I would get really insecure
595
00:32:14,013 --> 00:32:17,976
when I'd, like, crack or cry
or feel a bit emotional.
596
00:32:18,309 --> 00:32:21,145
But this is just kind of a real person
597
00:32:21,271 --> 00:32:24,691
and it was important for me
to show all those sides of a woman.
598
00:32:24,816 --> 00:32:27,318
Every time I learn something new
about you,
599
00:32:27,402 --> 00:32:33,032
I think, "That's it. There can't possibly
be any secrets left between us."
600
00:32:33,491 --> 00:32:37,912
And then something else pops up,
and it's like I've not known you at all.
601
00:32:38,037 --> 00:32:40,373
Yeah, you haven't.
602
00:32:41,833 --> 00:32:42,834
You don't.
603
00:32:43,877 --> 00:32:46,379
I loved doing episode four
604
00:32:46,504 --> 00:32:48,798
because I feel like Layla
got a lot of space
605
00:32:48,882 --> 00:32:52,093
for us to see what she's going through,
like, internally
606
00:32:52,176 --> 00:32:55,597
sort of be manifested
through the experience in the tomb.
607
00:32:56,890 --> 00:33:00,268
The scene with Harrow
felt like a play on the day
608
00:33:00,351 --> 00:33:03,896
because we were so spread apart
that there were two cranes filming us.
609
00:33:03,980 --> 00:33:08,067
We did all of our close ups at the
same time, which was really incredible.
610
00:33:08,276 --> 00:33:10,111
You handled that beautifully.
611
00:33:12,155 --> 00:33:13,489
Why do all men like you
612
00:33:15,033 --> 00:33:20,455
feel it necessary to be
so condescending?
613
00:33:20,913 --> 00:33:23,207
It was really important
for me to have Layla
614
00:33:23,291 --> 00:33:26,336
not just to be, like,
serving a man's journey.
615
00:33:26,544 --> 00:33:27,545
Are you done?
616
00:33:27,629 --> 00:33:30,006
Whether it's her father
or her lover or whatnot,
617
00:33:30,089 --> 00:33:34,135
I feel like she's discovering herself,
which is the biggest thing.
618
00:33:35,219 --> 00:33:37,055
I do hope you find closure.
619
00:33:46,064 --> 00:33:47,732
So this is our Cairo set.
620
00:33:48,483 --> 00:33:50,026
It's a very big day for us.
621
00:33:50,151 --> 00:33:52,278
We have 255 extras working.
622
00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:55,073
There's 55 picture cars
circling through there,
623
00:33:55,156 --> 00:33:57,867
along with Oscar and May walking
through the streets of Cairo.
624
00:33:58,826 --> 00:34:00,495
-And action!
625
00:34:02,288 --> 00:34:05,458
When I got on the Cairo streets,
I was so overwhelmed.
626
00:34:05,583 --> 00:34:07,794
I had actual anxiety, which is...
627
00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:12,340
I feel that there sometimes
just because there's so much going on.
628
00:34:14,133 --> 00:34:16,302
One of the most
interesting things was
629
00:34:16,594 --> 00:34:19,847
creating downtown Cairo in Budapest.
630
00:34:20,932 --> 00:34:22,975
TREVOR WATERSON:
We built a big backlot area
631
00:34:23,101 --> 00:34:25,269
that's about four or five blocks of Cairo
632
00:34:25,353 --> 00:34:28,356
with the green screen behind
which will be the pyramid.
633
00:34:29,357 --> 00:34:33,486
Mohamed wanted to make sure
that if we weren't going to film in Egypt,
634
00:34:33,653 --> 00:34:37,156
we were going to have Egypt
replicated to a T.
635
00:34:38,366 --> 00:34:40,910
I'll tell you something
that pisses people in Egypt.
636
00:34:40,993 --> 00:34:43,579
The pyramids, it's always
in the middle of the desert.
637
00:34:43,663 --> 00:34:45,248
It has a side that is
in the desert,
638
00:34:45,331 --> 00:34:47,500
and the other side
is in the center of the city.
639
00:34:48,126 --> 00:34:51,379
So it was very important for me
to portray Egypt
640
00:34:52,588 --> 00:34:53,589
as real Egypt.
641
00:34:55,424 --> 00:34:57,426
We brought Egypt to Budapest.
642
00:34:58,136 --> 00:35:01,013
Basically reconstructed Cairo here.
643
00:35:01,139 --> 00:35:05,226
Cairo neighborhood down to,
you know, the license plates
644
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,479
and just even the T-shirts
and everything in Arabic.
645
00:35:08,604 --> 00:35:11,315
And really, it brought me back
to being in Cairo.
646
00:35:11,399 --> 00:35:12,483
It was really impressive.
647
00:35:14,068 --> 00:35:15,319
Everything, all right.
648
00:35:15,653 --> 00:35:19,073
I had tons of Egyptians, extras.
649
00:35:19,699 --> 00:35:20,908
And some of them told me,
650
00:35:20,992 --> 00:35:23,911
I haven't visited Egypt in five years,
and I finally feel home.
651
00:35:23,995 --> 00:35:26,038
And they were just
very emotional about it.
652
00:35:27,832 --> 00:35:31,294
Moon Knight is a gigantic production.
653
00:35:31,377 --> 00:35:33,546
Probably the biggest production
we've done so far,
654
00:35:33,629 --> 00:35:36,424
as far as just the overall scope
and size of the show.
655
00:35:36,507 --> 00:35:40,219
We needed to go to a place that we could
get as many stages as we need.
656
00:35:40,344 --> 00:35:42,430
Get as much backlot space as we need.
657
00:35:42,513 --> 00:35:44,849
I knew that we would be able
to pull off practically
658
00:35:44,932 --> 00:35:46,726
what we needed to pull off in Budapest.
659
00:35:48,561 --> 00:35:52,857
We completely fell in love
with our production designer Stefania.
660
00:35:53,107 --> 00:35:56,360
She's a character and a great person
and a hard worker,
661
00:35:56,444 --> 00:35:58,279
but also just a genius, right?
662
00:35:58,362 --> 00:36:01,782
I remember the day
she showed us that museum.
663
00:36:01,908 --> 00:36:05,161
- Mmm-hmm.
- I was blown away like everyone.
664
00:36:05,286 --> 00:36:09,415
It's a replica of everything Egyptian
I've ever seen in my life. It's, it's...
665
00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:12,084
She and her team, everyone, geniuses.
666
00:36:15,463 --> 00:36:19,508
We are in the
Museum of Fine Arts in Budapest.
667
00:36:20,676 --> 00:36:24,972
with three big rooms
that we're dressing with our artifacts.
668
00:36:26,724 --> 00:36:30,645
We made something like 140 pieces,
669
00:36:30,811 --> 00:36:35,149
from the biggest one,
which is six meter and something high
670
00:36:35,232 --> 00:36:38,653
to the smallest items
that have been sculpted and designed
671
00:36:38,736 --> 00:36:40,279
and then recreated, yes.
672
00:36:40,488 --> 00:36:42,615
Like jewels and small,
small, small pieces.
673
00:36:43,532 --> 00:36:49,872
Because most of our story is
the duplicity of Steven and Marc,
674
00:36:50,247 --> 00:36:55,169
those enclosed glass display
they were giving us,
675
00:36:55,252 --> 00:36:58,964
you know, the playground
of reflection that we needed.
676
00:37:06,514 --> 00:37:07,890
I can't believe it.
677
00:37:08,933 --> 00:37:11,310
Oh, my days. We're inside.
678
00:37:12,144 --> 00:37:14,313
We're inside the great pyramid of Giza.
679
00:37:18,776 --> 00:37:20,277
This is our biggest set.
680
00:37:21,278 --> 00:37:23,656
Probably. One of our biggest sets,
if not the biggest.
681
00:37:23,906 --> 00:37:26,700
We're inside the pyramids of Giza,
682
00:37:27,076 --> 00:37:29,036
and this is where the Avatars meet.
683
00:37:29,161 --> 00:37:31,914
So it's a very essential place
to the story.
684
00:37:32,081 --> 00:37:33,833
A lot of our story takes place there.
685
00:37:33,916 --> 00:37:36,919
A lot of everything kind of
comes together there in that set.
686
00:37:37,002 --> 00:37:38,921
So it was important for us to build that.
687
00:37:39,004 --> 00:37:41,882
What we built practically
was about three stories,
688
00:37:41,966 --> 00:37:44,051
as high as we could build onto the stage.
689
00:37:46,137 --> 00:37:49,306
We are on stage six at the Origo,
690
00:37:49,390 --> 00:37:53,060
and this is the set that we call
the Chambers of the Gods.
691
00:37:53,477 --> 00:37:56,897
Here we are. Shooting tomorrow.
692
00:37:57,231 --> 00:38:00,317
It's kind of scary because I've never done
anything like this.
693
00:38:00,401 --> 00:38:04,572
You know, it's very difficult to do Egypt
694
00:38:04,697 --> 00:38:10,911
because I think
it's so easy to become cliché.
695
00:38:11,412 --> 00:38:14,039
You know, Vegas type of a thing.
696
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:16,625
I had two Egyptologists.
697
00:38:16,876 --> 00:38:20,421
One from here, one in LA,
and a researcher.
698
00:38:20,713 --> 00:38:22,423
You know, we can take license,
699
00:38:22,673 --> 00:38:28,679
and obviously we did take license,
but in a respectful way, I think.
700
00:38:31,682 --> 00:38:37,354
I wanted to mix the Gods
that are the Marvel characters
701
00:38:37,855 --> 00:38:40,357
with the original Gods statues.
702
00:38:43,527 --> 00:38:48,490
You know, the idea was that every portal
is where the Avatars come in.
703
00:38:49,575 --> 00:38:50,743
The disturbance.
704
00:38:52,036 --> 00:38:55,873
Egyptian Gods are very tall in scale,
705
00:38:55,998 --> 00:39:01,712
and we didn't want to have
just feet and knees on camera.
706
00:39:01,795 --> 00:39:07,843
So we brought down the faces
and the representative animal
707
00:39:07,927 --> 00:39:10,888
on ground level in the temple
708
00:39:10,971 --> 00:39:15,267
to have a more interesting interaction.
709
00:39:15,601 --> 00:39:17,895
We will decide our best course of action.
710
00:39:18,854 --> 00:39:19,980
Speak your purpose.
711
00:39:21,106 --> 00:39:22,858
The detail that was there
712
00:39:22,942 --> 00:39:25,653
and the sculptures
that we had in the Hall of Gods
713
00:39:25,778 --> 00:39:27,404
was amazing craftsmanship.
714
00:39:27,613 --> 00:39:28,906
We had a whole stone shop
715
00:39:28,989 --> 00:39:31,116
of people that were just there
building statues.
716
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,703
That's all they did all day long
was mold and form and carve statues.
717
00:39:36,622 --> 00:39:39,583
The Alexander the Great set,
the amount of detail...
718
00:39:39,708 --> 00:39:43,087
There is no motivating reason
to go in and take a closeup of it.
719
00:39:43,170 --> 00:39:46,256
But if you did,
everywhere you looked in this chamber,
720
00:39:46,382 --> 00:39:48,550
it looks so authentic. It's so detailed.
721
00:39:48,634 --> 00:39:50,427
Every little painting on the wall.
722
00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:54,556
We are in Alexander's
burial chamber.
723
00:39:56,392 --> 00:39:59,395
This was one of everybody's
most favorite set.
724
00:40:00,479 --> 00:40:03,357
We have some of Alexander's treasure.
725
00:40:04,358 --> 00:40:05,567
His famous horse.
726
00:40:06,151 --> 00:40:08,028
His personal shield.
727
00:40:08,987 --> 00:40:13,867
One of the challenging parts was
to paint it in a way that was accurate,
728
00:40:14,493 --> 00:40:17,913
not by just one painter,
but by multiple people,
729
00:40:17,996 --> 00:40:19,540
which would have happened.
730
00:40:20,457 --> 00:40:24,878
We contacted an art school in Budapest,
731
00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:28,632
where they have fantastic young artists.
732
00:40:29,133 --> 00:40:34,304
We put out several projectors
with the layout of the hieroglyphs,
733
00:40:34,471 --> 00:40:37,224
and they basically came and they painted.
734
00:40:37,307 --> 00:40:39,518
So it was a fantastic experience for us,
735
00:40:39,643 --> 00:40:41,687
because for me seeing
736
00:40:41,979 --> 00:40:45,649
younger people involved
in something so different
737
00:40:45,733 --> 00:40:48,193
from what they do was...
738
00:40:48,277 --> 00:40:49,737
They were very enthusiastic,
739
00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:55,492
and I think ultimately it's priceless
what they gave us.
740
00:40:56,743 --> 00:41:00,581
What Stefania did with these sets
as the production designer
741
00:41:00,664 --> 00:41:02,291
is just so important.
742
00:41:02,833 --> 00:41:04,626
For me, it's not because,
743
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:07,838
oh, I can feel like I'm really there,
you know. It's because...
744
00:41:08,755 --> 00:41:11,925
I see an artist bring their top game.
745
00:41:12,009 --> 00:41:15,679
I see them come in and, like,
make huge choices about the story.
746
00:41:15,846 --> 00:41:18,807
There's like little Easter eggs
that connect to other episodes.
747
00:41:18,891 --> 00:41:23,312
There's, like... Amazing thought
has gone into creating these sets.
748
00:41:23,937 --> 00:41:26,482
So it's like,
this person is committing fully
749
00:41:26,565 --> 00:41:28,650
and bringing everything they have
to the table.
750
00:41:28,734 --> 00:41:29,735
I wanna do that, too.
751
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:36,408
I hope that part of the joy
of watching this show will be
752
00:41:36,492 --> 00:41:38,911
exposure to this amazing
Egyptian mythology
753
00:41:38,994 --> 00:41:40,704
that a lot of people don't have.
754
00:41:42,873 --> 00:41:45,792
We dealt with classic
Joseph Campbell myths
755
00:41:45,876 --> 00:41:47,044
for years in the West.
756
00:41:47,127 --> 00:41:53,050
We saw a Stan Lee and Jack Kirby
adapted version of Norse myths, of course.
757
00:41:53,133 --> 00:41:57,512
And now really tapping into
the mythology of ancient Egypt,
758
00:41:57,596 --> 00:42:03,602
which is so formative for humanity itself
and for storytelling in general.
759
00:42:03,810 --> 00:42:05,812
Egyptian mythology is one of the oldest
760
00:42:05,896 --> 00:42:08,106
and the most fascinating ones
in the world.
761
00:42:08,774 --> 00:42:12,027
I think Hollywood has been
reluctant to approach it.
762
00:42:12,236 --> 00:42:14,947
I was lucky that I was given
the chance to show that.
763
00:42:15,113 --> 00:42:18,784
And I was lucky that the elements
of the story had that from the get-go.
764
00:42:18,951 --> 00:42:20,577
We had a great team.
765
00:42:20,661 --> 00:42:22,412
We had the Egyptologists.
766
00:42:22,537 --> 00:42:26,875
We had Ramy Romany with us
making sure that everything is correct.
767
00:42:26,959 --> 00:42:28,335
Let's start with...
768
00:42:28,418 --> 00:42:31,755
Marvel was very keen on
trying to make Moon Knight
769
00:42:31,922 --> 00:42:36,468
as historically accurate as possible
for a fictional show.
770
00:42:36,885 --> 00:42:40,347
They were trying to thread that needle
between historical accuracy
771
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,017
The idea of an Avatar
is an ancient Egyptian idea.
772
00:42:44,267 --> 00:42:47,771
Every pharaoh is believed
to be the God Horus.
773
00:42:47,854 --> 00:42:50,273
So every ancient Egyptian pharaoh
774
00:42:50,565 --> 00:42:52,985
is actually the Avatar of God Horus.
775
00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:04,496
Binding the gods into a stone.
776
00:43:04,955 --> 00:43:07,499
Now that's fiction.
That didn't happen.
777
00:43:07,582 --> 00:43:09,418
But ushabtis are true.
778
00:43:09,626 --> 00:43:13,213
Every time you go in any royal tomb,
there are ushabtis
779
00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:17,175
that would help the deceased,
the king or nobleman,
780
00:43:17,384 --> 00:43:19,344
into his journey of the afterlife.
781
00:43:19,553 --> 00:43:21,847
Those ushabtis come to life,
782
00:43:22,222 --> 00:43:24,307
and they serve the king in the afterlife.
783
00:43:26,476 --> 00:43:29,187
Filming in Budapest,
there's a museum,
784
00:43:29,271 --> 00:43:31,565
and it's got
an ancient Egyptian collection.
785
00:43:37,988 --> 00:43:38,989
Anything else?
786
00:43:39,072 --> 00:43:42,325
-That's it. Let's cut.
-Amazing. Yeah, let's cut it.
787
00:43:42,409 --> 00:43:44,077
Antonia is
another fellow Egyptian...
788
00:43:44,161 --> 00:43:45,162
Thanks, guys.
789
00:43:45,245 --> 00:43:48,790
...who the moment everyone heard her,
this is Taweret.
790
00:43:49,082 --> 00:43:53,044
By the way, today I learned Taweret,
without the R.
791
00:43:53,336 --> 00:43:55,338
- Whoa!
- Taweret. Taweret.
792
00:43:55,422 --> 00:43:56,757
I'm just gonna have you say it.
793
00:43:56,882 --> 00:43:59,384
I'm saying it and I hope I'm saying it
in the right way.
794
00:43:59,468 --> 00:44:02,179
We're all learning.
It's a language that is not spoken.
795
00:44:02,512 --> 00:44:04,306
- So we're all learning it.
- Right, right.
796
00:44:04,389 --> 00:44:07,350
But she is the character,
I think, like...
797
00:44:08,059 --> 00:44:09,186
they moved the character
798
00:44:09,269 --> 00:44:12,147
and created the character
visually around her performance.
799
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:15,442
I remember the VFX team
showing us early motion capture.
800
00:44:15,525 --> 00:44:18,612
- Yeah.
- They show us her little test
801
00:44:18,737 --> 00:44:21,781
and then they show the exact mannerisms
802
00:44:21,907 --> 00:44:24,493
being doubled by a giant hippo.
It was hilarious.
803
00:44:24,576 --> 00:44:26,119
This will really bake your noodle,
804
00:44:26,203 --> 00:44:28,830
but I think you were just taking
a little time-out.
805
00:44:28,914 --> 00:44:31,750
I'm afraid you're actually quite dead.
806
00:44:31,833 --> 00:44:35,378
We talked about actually having
a real costume for Khonshu,
807
00:44:35,462 --> 00:44:37,172
a real costume for Taweret,
808
00:44:37,255 --> 00:44:39,049
a real costume for Ammit.
809
00:44:39,174 --> 00:44:41,760
Again, I don't like telling
a visual effects vendor,
810
00:44:41,885 --> 00:44:44,095
just make it look real,
make it look like real cloth.
811
00:44:44,179 --> 00:44:45,764
I'd much rather be able to say,
812
00:44:45,889 --> 00:44:50,060
match the way that the light reflects off
of Antonia's shoulder,
813
00:44:50,143 --> 00:44:53,063
or match the way
the beads look on our Ammit dress.
814
00:44:53,146 --> 00:44:55,023
And then, yeah, having a performance.
815
00:44:55,106 --> 00:44:56,900
I mean, having that for real
816
00:44:56,983 --> 00:44:59,528
was was one of the things
that I really pushed for.
817
00:45:00,237 --> 00:45:04,449
Welcome, gentle traveler... Travelers,
818
00:45:04,533 --> 00:45:06,701
to the realm of the Duat.
819
00:45:07,118 --> 00:45:09,287
I think they're using
really new technology
820
00:45:09,913 --> 00:45:14,125
where I am not burdened by this kind
of motion capture suit anymore.
821
00:45:14,626 --> 00:45:16,878
I'm only wearing my costume.
822
00:45:17,379 --> 00:45:20,966
And then we have the stick,
where basically there's an eyeline
823
00:45:21,049 --> 00:45:25,303
for the nine-foot-tall version of Khonshu,
which will be placed in later.
824
00:45:25,512 --> 00:45:29,683
We had a full-scale Khonshu skull
that we had manufactured.
825
00:45:29,766 --> 00:45:31,851
So we'd have reference
of Khonshu's head.
826
00:45:31,935 --> 00:45:34,813
We'd have great reference
of Khonshu's performance,
827
00:45:34,896 --> 00:45:36,690
'cause we could see
how he was moving around
828
00:45:36,773 --> 00:45:38,733
and we'd have a costume for reference.
829
00:45:38,817 --> 00:45:41,987
So then we would recreate that
as a digital character
830
00:45:42,070 --> 00:45:44,114
and you get clean plates
and all kind of stuff.
831
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,324
But it was really helpful to have that.
832
00:45:47,909 --> 00:45:50,328
Give it back, you fool.
833
00:45:52,664 --> 00:45:56,710
Being Egyptian and being somebody
who's very interested in ancient Egypt,
834
00:45:56,835 --> 00:46:00,547
I find that Marvel is taking a bit
of creative license with Khonshu.
835
00:46:00,630 --> 00:46:04,801
But they're also staying true to, I think,
the spirit of the mythology.
836
00:46:05,176 --> 00:46:09,139
You know, khonshu means "traveler"
in ancient Egyptian,
837
00:46:09,222 --> 00:46:11,933
and he's the protector
of the travelers of the night.
838
00:46:12,017 --> 00:46:16,354
He's the moon God, and he's there to keep
the balance in the universe.
839
00:46:16,479 --> 00:46:20,066
Do you swear to protect
the travelers of the night
840
00:46:20,984 --> 00:46:25,447
and bring my vengeance to those
who would do them harm?
841
00:46:25,947 --> 00:46:28,199
There's that literal side
of Khonshu,
842
00:46:28,575 --> 00:46:31,161
and then there is the metaphor
843
00:46:31,286 --> 00:46:36,082
which is the embodiment of Marc's rage.
844
00:46:36,166 --> 00:46:37,250
Kill him!
845
00:46:38,126 --> 00:46:41,755
His rage at what has happened
to him as a child...
846
00:46:41,921 --> 00:46:43,048
Break his windpipe!
847
00:46:43,298 --> 00:46:45,008
...and his rage at himself
848
00:46:45,175 --> 00:46:47,510
that feels that he deserves it
in some way.
849
00:46:47,761 --> 00:46:50,597
And that he has to be a slave to,
that he has no choice.
850
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,140
You know, almost like an addiction.
851
00:46:52,682 --> 00:46:57,437
You think you own
this body?
852
00:46:59,689 --> 00:47:02,317
It belongs to me.
853
00:47:02,567 --> 00:47:03,777
The other thing is like,
854
00:47:03,860 --> 00:47:05,987
is Khonshu just another voice in his head?
855
00:47:06,154 --> 00:47:08,865
And these are questions
that aren't answered readily.
856
00:47:14,954 --> 00:47:18,792
Every aspect of this show
has a duality.
857
00:47:19,709 --> 00:47:25,089
Every person has a dual self,
and the story has a dual nature.
858
00:47:27,133 --> 00:47:30,804
Khonshu has this Avatar
whose job is to avenge wrongdoing.
859
00:47:30,887 --> 00:47:33,473
And then I am working for a different God
860
00:47:33,598 --> 00:47:37,060
whose goal is to eliminate all wrongdoing.
861
00:47:38,394 --> 00:47:41,564
I could make a very compelling case
that I'm not playing the villain.
862
00:47:41,648 --> 00:47:46,486
It's possible to watch this show
and think that this human being
863
00:47:46,653 --> 00:47:50,198
has created these visions
of his psychiatrist
864
00:47:50,281 --> 00:47:52,534
who's trying to "aleve" his pain.
865
00:47:52,617 --> 00:47:56,162
And he wants his pain
because his pain gives him his identity.
866
00:47:56,621 --> 00:48:00,792
Because a lot of us
store our identity in our hurts, right?
867
00:48:01,084 --> 00:48:03,670
And so he's turned me into a villain.
868
00:48:05,338 --> 00:48:10,176
And so I've tried to create a character
869
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:13,596
that could be seen
from either side of the coin.
870
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,265
I liked the villain.
871
00:48:16,516 --> 00:48:22,438
His "No tree may ascend to
the light of heaven if it doesn't descend
872
00:48:22,522 --> 00:48:24,816
"to the darkness of hell".
873
00:48:26,109 --> 00:48:27,485
I actually believe that.
874
00:48:31,447 --> 00:48:34,867
This is
the mental institution set.
875
00:48:34,951 --> 00:48:40,623
As the point of view of Marc,
we go and reveal a lot of other characters
876
00:48:40,707 --> 00:48:44,585
and motifs and visuals that we've seen
throughout the rest of the episodes
877
00:48:44,669 --> 00:48:48,798
and reveal in that point of view
that his entire reality
878
00:48:48,881 --> 00:48:52,302
may have been shaped
by his experiences here in this asylum.
879
00:48:52,510 --> 00:48:54,262
Or maybe not.
880
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:58,057
I think that's also what was so fun
about this, is the puzzle pieces.
881
00:48:58,141 --> 00:48:59,517
You know, not adding something
882
00:48:59,642 --> 00:49:01,602
just for the sake of adding
something cool,
883
00:49:01,728 --> 00:49:04,397
but really having it be
thematically interesting
884
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,190
and something that has a payoff.
885
00:49:06,607 --> 00:49:08,526
-Let me out!
886
00:49:08,609 --> 00:49:10,987
Let me out! Let me out!
Let me out! Please.
887
00:49:13,865 --> 00:49:15,950
It's such a mind trip, the whole thing.
888
00:49:16,034 --> 00:49:19,829
But then, to be able to add
these little, like, points
889
00:49:20,038 --> 00:49:23,166
that reorient you back
to those original things,
890
00:49:23,333 --> 00:49:24,751
it's just so much fun.
891
00:49:25,084 --> 00:49:26,878
- Steven!
- Marc!
892
00:49:34,844 --> 00:49:36,763
How is this possible?
893
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:39,348
When we got to that part of the show
894
00:49:39,474 --> 00:49:42,518
when actually they're outside
of each other talking to each other.
895
00:49:42,643 --> 00:49:45,980
One of the crucial things was
my brother came out,
896
00:49:46,064 --> 00:49:49,192
and he would play the other character
897
00:49:49,275 --> 00:49:51,277
whenever I had to do one,
so that was great.
898
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,404
He's a great actor,
his name's Michael.
899
00:49:53,488 --> 00:49:55,448
So he was really there for me,
900
00:49:56,324 --> 00:49:58,367
and so often, sometimes when you watch it,
901
00:49:58,493 --> 00:50:01,037
I'm acting with my actual little brother,
you know.
902
00:50:01,454 --> 00:50:03,164
So, do we... You go next, or...
903
00:50:04,082 --> 00:50:05,166
Who is that?
904
00:50:06,667 --> 00:50:07,877
Marc,
905
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,130
why is there a child in a room filled
with people you've killed?
906
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:14,592
- Steven, look, don't go near him.
- Hey, little man.
907
00:50:15,384 --> 00:50:16,469
What's your name? Hey!
908
00:50:16,552 --> 00:50:18,221
Steven, Steven. Wait! Wait! Wait!
909
00:50:18,304 --> 00:50:21,390
I will say that was some
of the hardest stuff I had to do,
910
00:50:21,474 --> 00:50:24,060
from a technical level,
because sometimes
911
00:50:24,143 --> 00:50:27,355
I'd have to make the choices
for both characters beforehand.
912
00:50:27,855 --> 00:50:30,399
Rehearse it once with me as Steven.
913
00:50:30,525 --> 00:50:32,193
Then rehearse it then with me as Marc
914
00:50:32,276 --> 00:50:35,238
imagining how I wanted to react
at the time
915
00:50:35,488 --> 00:50:37,406
and memorize the blocking.
916
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:40,409
And then have to do it all to no one.
917
00:50:40,827 --> 00:50:43,120
Sometimes in a wider shot.
918
00:50:43,204 --> 00:50:44,956
Know what Layla would be all right with?
919
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,583
- Don't. Just don't say it.
- I'm just saying there is
920
00:50:47,667 --> 00:50:49,252
one hippo and two of us, all right?
921
00:50:49,335 --> 00:50:51,212
It can't be that hard to steer this ship.
922
00:50:51,295 --> 00:50:55,341
- And we don't have to actually...
- Have to what? Kill the Goddess Taweret?
923
00:50:55,424 --> 00:50:57,677
Yeah. Just find me some rope
or something...
924
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,262
Or we can do what she says,
925
00:50:59,345 --> 00:51:02,557
and help each other uncover whatever it is
that we're hiding, apparently.
926
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,809
So those were some of the harder days,
927
00:51:04,892 --> 00:51:07,144
because it was just so
technically demanding.
928
00:51:07,395 --> 00:51:09,564
Right through these doors,
for example,
929
00:51:09,647 --> 00:51:11,691
we go through here,
there's gonna be patients,
930
00:51:11,774 --> 00:51:15,319
and there's Crawley
probably about to yell bingo!
931
00:51:15,444 --> 00:51:16,737
Oh, my God!
932
00:51:17,363 --> 00:51:18,364
Oh, my God!
933
00:51:19,282 --> 00:51:20,283
Come on, buddy.
934
00:51:20,533 --> 00:51:22,410
You were supposed
to keep him safe!
935
00:51:22,493 --> 00:51:23,494
Steven, let's go.
936
00:51:24,787 --> 00:51:28,040
There's a feeling of a brotherly
relationship between the two of them,
937
00:51:28,124 --> 00:51:30,876
despite the fact that they are technically
the same person.
938
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,087
And there's something
almost paternal even.
939
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:38,426
But ultimately this story becomes
about unifying those two sides to himself.
940
00:51:40,094 --> 00:51:42,013
Why do you have to make me do this?
941
00:51:42,096 --> 00:51:44,098
I wanna see what she did.
942
00:51:44,181 --> 00:51:45,224
You disgusting human.
943
00:51:45,308 --> 00:51:47,518
You do not need to see that.
You're not meant to.
944
00:51:47,602 --> 00:51:48,894
That's the whole point of you.
945
00:51:48,978 --> 00:51:53,482
I think it was just about being honest
to what the ideas and honest to...
946
00:51:54,525 --> 00:51:56,986
You know, what a lot of people
have to deal with,
947
00:51:57,069 --> 00:51:59,155
which is really intense childhood trauma.
948
00:51:59,238 --> 00:52:02,283
And, you know, how that manifests
as an adult.
949
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,119
Of course, there's the allegory
of the Moon Knight
950
00:52:05,202 --> 00:52:06,662
and the Gods and the powers.
951
00:52:06,746 --> 00:52:10,541
But really, and it's a line
that we found in five.
952
00:52:10,624 --> 00:52:13,210
It's this thing
that you think is an ailment.
953
00:52:13,294 --> 00:52:17,423
My other personality that I can't control
and, you know, how horrible,
954
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,385
he ends up realizing that
that's actually his superpower.
955
00:52:21,886 --> 00:52:24,847
All those horrible things
that she said to you,
956
00:52:24,930 --> 00:52:27,433
- she was wrong. It wasn't your fault.
957
00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:31,854
I shouldn't have brought him in the cave.
958
00:52:31,937 --> 00:52:32,938
Hey.
959
00:52:34,357 --> 00:52:37,026
Hey. You were just a child.
960
00:52:39,487 --> 00:52:40,905
It wasn't your fault.
961
00:52:50,664 --> 00:52:55,711
At the end, Marc and Steven
learn how to live together as one person,
962
00:52:55,795 --> 00:52:59,757
which turns out to be in the final fight
their advantage.
963
00:52:59,924 --> 00:53:03,511
If you were to take Mr. Knight
and Moon Knight and combine them,
964
00:53:03,803 --> 00:53:06,972
you'd have the ideal superhero, right?
965
00:53:07,056 --> 00:53:09,266
The ideal superhero with humanity.
966
00:53:09,350 --> 00:53:12,770
They sort of complete each other,
and that's the whole point.
967
00:53:14,939 --> 00:53:18,984
It is a direct interpretation
of a healthy relationship
968
00:53:19,068 --> 00:53:20,778
in DID with their alters.
969
00:53:20,903 --> 00:53:22,863
You know, once they start
working together,
970
00:53:22,947 --> 00:53:26,909
and how interesting would it be
to see a fight scene
971
00:53:27,076 --> 00:53:30,329
where the two of them are morphing
throughout the whole thing
972
00:53:30,579 --> 00:53:32,498
and actually complementing each other.
973
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:36,919
And also speaks to the description
of why Moon Knight
974
00:53:37,044 --> 00:53:40,464
is such a worthy adversary.
It's because he's totally unpredictable.
975
00:53:44,802 --> 00:53:47,972
I think throughout
the course of history,
976
00:53:48,139 --> 00:53:49,807
the people who are truly benevolent
977
00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:52,434
have forgiveness
as a part of their teaching,
978
00:53:52,518 --> 00:53:55,479
that you still believe
that people can change
979
00:53:55,604 --> 00:53:57,106
and they can grow and get better.
980
00:53:57,231 --> 00:53:59,900
And I think what tips Harrow
into the fanatic point
981
00:54:00,317 --> 00:54:02,903
is he really does not believe that.
982
00:54:02,987 --> 00:54:06,866
You know, would you wait to weed
the garden until after the roses are dead?
983
00:54:06,949 --> 00:54:08,909
A weed is a weed is a weed, you know.
984
00:54:08,993 --> 00:54:11,829
It's gonna kill what's good,
and let's just nip it in the bud.
985
00:54:11,912 --> 00:54:14,790
Even children?
And you're like, yes, even children.
986
00:54:14,915 --> 00:54:19,837
And that's where you get into a fanaticism
that most of us can't go that distance.
987
00:54:21,171 --> 00:54:25,301
At the end, it's about free choice.
Two ideologies fighting together.
988
00:54:25,634 --> 00:54:28,512
One is trying to cleanse
the world from evil.
989
00:54:28,721 --> 00:54:32,349
And the other one, "No, let's cleanse
whoever did something wrong."
990
00:54:33,767 --> 00:54:36,437
It's about giving humanity a chance
to make its own mistakes
991
00:54:36,562 --> 00:54:38,147
and learning from its own mistakes.
992
00:54:38,898 --> 00:54:41,066
Had Ammit been allowed to rule,
993
00:54:41,483 --> 00:54:44,069
young Randall's life would've been saved,
994
00:54:44,445 --> 00:54:46,488
your family would have been happy.
995
00:54:47,072 --> 00:54:50,492
She need only remove one weed
from the garden.
996
00:54:51,702 --> 00:54:52,703
You.
997
00:54:53,746 --> 00:54:56,165
We must rebind Ammit.
998
00:54:56,290 --> 00:54:57,291
How?
999
00:54:57,374 --> 00:54:59,835
Only an Avatar can do it.
1000
00:55:01,503 --> 00:55:04,131
Mohamed and Antonia came to
1001
00:55:04,298 --> 00:55:06,925
the makeup trailer 30 minutes
before we were going to film.
1002
00:55:07,134 --> 00:55:10,512
And Mohamed was like,
"Well, you see, in the Chamber of Gods,
1003
00:55:10,638 --> 00:55:16,101
"most of them, like embody the God.
So can you just copy Antonia,
1004
00:55:16,185 --> 00:55:19,938
"and memorize her lines
and then embody Taweret?"
1005
00:55:20,189 --> 00:55:22,066
And I was like, "Okay."
1006
00:55:28,113 --> 00:55:29,573
You've changed your mind.
1007
00:55:32,117 --> 00:55:35,788
It was so much fun working
on the physicality with May
1008
00:55:35,954 --> 00:55:38,248
as we were both playing the scene out,
1009
00:55:38,374 --> 00:55:39,583
Say it, Antonia.
1010
00:55:39,666 --> 00:55:42,378
- Don't be scared.
- "Don't be scared."
1011
00:55:42,544 --> 00:55:45,756
step by step, the idea came up.
Let's make her into a superhero.
1012
00:55:48,384 --> 00:55:50,594
We zeroed in on an Egyptian superhero
1013
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,097
in the Marvel universe
named the Scarlet Scarab.
1014
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:57,643
Traditionally, it's a male character
who goes and reappropriates
1015
00:55:57,810 --> 00:56:00,145
Egyptian artifacts from people
who have stolen
1016
00:56:00,229 --> 00:56:03,440
or gotten them by ill means
and returns them to the rightful owners.
1017
00:56:03,524 --> 00:56:05,901
We thought, "Man,
the way our narrative is teeing up,
1018
00:56:05,984 --> 00:56:08,821
"that lines up with exactly
what we needed for our show."
1019
00:56:17,704 --> 00:56:19,873
Right now, Marvel is the world
to a lot of people.
1020
00:56:19,957 --> 00:56:24,753
Kids, teens. To be part of that world,
it means that you exist.
1021
00:56:25,045 --> 00:56:27,089
- Mmm.
- Representation really.
1022
00:56:27,339 --> 00:56:31,260
I know this word now has been
thrown right and left.
1023
00:56:31,343 --> 00:56:36,014
But having someone like this
on screen, defending good,
1024
00:56:36,265 --> 00:56:38,642
that's the kind of story
that brings people together.
1025
00:56:38,725 --> 00:56:41,603
Would you say this fulfills
a childhood wish for you?
1026
00:56:41,728 --> 00:56:42,729
Absolutely.
1027
00:56:48,152 --> 00:56:51,280
I feel like, and I'm going
to speak from my experience,
1028
00:56:51,363 --> 00:56:55,492
like, when I've seen Arabs on film,
like, it's given me so much permission
1029
00:56:55,659 --> 00:57:00,622
and faith that I also have a space
and a place to do that.
1030
00:57:00,706 --> 00:57:04,710
And I want women there to want
to express themselves through art
1031
00:57:04,793 --> 00:57:07,546
and to share their story
and to, like, get out there more.
1032
00:57:07,629 --> 00:57:11,550
If I can share that
or help one person feel that way,
1033
00:57:11,633 --> 00:57:13,510
then I feel like my job is done.
1034
00:57:32,946 --> 00:57:34,573
Here we are in Jordan.
1035
00:57:36,116 --> 00:57:40,037
Well, we started in April,
about six months ago in Budapest.
1036
00:57:40,245 --> 00:57:41,580
And now, it's my last day
1037
00:57:41,663 --> 00:57:43,790
and the whole crew's
going to be finishing up
1038
00:57:43,916 --> 00:57:46,209
throughout this week on Moon Knight.
1039
00:57:46,335 --> 00:57:49,296
And this is about
the perfect place to end it,
1040
00:57:49,379 --> 00:57:52,925
right where I first fell in love
with movies, watching Lawrence of Arabia,
1041
00:57:53,008 --> 00:57:55,761
I get to shoot scenes
on the same backlot.
1042
00:57:55,969 --> 00:57:56,970
The planet Earth.
1043
00:57:57,554 --> 00:57:59,598
Jordan was at
the very end of the shoot.
1044
00:57:59,681 --> 00:58:02,392
If anyone would have told me
in a span of four years,
1045
00:58:02,517 --> 00:58:05,145
I'd be going to do
three different projects
1046
00:58:05,228 --> 00:58:08,023
in the Wadi Rum desert,
I would never have believed them.
1047
00:58:08,106 --> 00:58:10,609
But Star Wars, Dune and now Moon Knight,
1048
00:58:10,734 --> 00:58:12,861
all shot in the same desert.
1049
00:58:13,111 --> 00:58:16,573
Wadi Rum, the real desert.
1050
00:58:16,657 --> 00:58:19,117
It felt like a big summer vacation
for everybody.
1051
00:58:19,201 --> 00:58:20,994
You know, we were out in the sun,
1052
00:58:21,411 --> 00:58:24,998
you know, right by the the Red Sea
and going up to Petra.
1053
00:58:25,165 --> 00:58:27,292
It was an amazing way
to end the whole thing.
1054
00:58:29,002 --> 00:58:30,545
Whoo-hoo!
1055
00:58:30,629 --> 00:58:32,172
It's over!
1056
00:58:35,008 --> 00:58:37,344
We're in a fascinating moment
of storytelling,
1057
00:58:37,427 --> 00:58:40,764
which is the form of movies is changing.
1058
00:58:42,140 --> 00:58:46,561
This is not a TV show,
it's a movie on a larger canvas,
1059
00:58:46,645 --> 00:58:49,189
and we're trying to aspire to approach it
1060
00:58:49,272 --> 00:58:52,859
with that level of cinema
and that level of quality.
1061
00:58:53,735 --> 00:58:56,863
It's hard to paint such a big canvas,
you know. I mean,
1062
00:58:56,988 --> 00:58:59,366
it's damn hard to make one good movie.
1063
00:58:59,574 --> 00:59:02,411
To try to make three in a row,
you know,
1064
00:59:02,577 --> 00:59:06,331
is asking a lot of the craftsmen
and everybody involved.
1065
00:59:06,623 --> 00:59:08,166
So the lift is big.
1066
00:59:08,417 --> 00:59:10,877
Ethan, I remember,
said to us very early on.
1067
00:59:11,002 --> 00:59:13,630
He says, "We're having a great time now.
1068
00:59:13,922 --> 00:59:17,717
"But remember, someday you're going to be
on day 80 and you can't blink.
1069
00:59:18,009 --> 00:59:19,970
"It has to be as good as day one,
1070
00:59:20,178 --> 00:59:23,098
"because nobody's going to ever say.
'That wasn't so good.
1071
00:59:23,223 --> 00:59:24,975
"'But they were on day 80. Poor them.'
1072
00:59:25,058 --> 00:59:26,685
"It has to stay.
1073
00:59:26,768 --> 00:59:28,562
"You have to keep that dream alive."
1074
00:59:28,687 --> 00:59:32,274
It's such a challenge,
and I salute everyone who's doing TV.
1075
00:59:32,858 --> 00:59:35,861
Especially on this kind of caliber,
making it feel cinematic.
1076
00:59:35,986 --> 00:59:38,238
Six hours of film.
1077
00:59:38,697 --> 00:59:42,826
Oh, my God, guys,
it was such a taxing experience,
1078
00:59:42,909 --> 00:59:44,911
but very rewarding.
1079
00:59:45,078 --> 00:59:47,664
And I have to tell you,
one of the coolest things
1080
00:59:47,747 --> 00:59:49,332
to get to witness on this job
1081
00:59:49,416 --> 00:59:51,918
was seeing something at this scale.
1082
00:59:52,043 --> 00:59:56,590
And the alchemy it takes for something
of this scale to become personal.
1083
00:59:56,715 --> 00:59:58,133
It feels like a personal story.
1084
00:59:58,216 --> 01:00:00,969
It feels like your prior movies,
and it feels like you and Sarah.
1085
01:00:01,052 --> 01:00:03,180
And I can feel the humanity in it.
1086
01:00:03,263 --> 01:00:07,475
And to have the structure
of the creative collaboration that we had,
1087
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:10,562
that we had all those days together
in a room spitballing.
1088
01:00:10,729 --> 01:00:14,816
I think in doing that we were able
to create something pretty bold,
1089
01:00:14,983 --> 01:00:16,651
and I think that's the aspect of it
1090
01:00:16,776 --> 01:00:19,863
that I'm really excited about
audiences seeing.
1091
01:00:32,209 --> 01:00:35,378
I would never have guessed,
and I don't mean this derogatorily,
1092
01:00:35,462 --> 01:00:38,798
that this would be one of my most
creatively fulfilling adventures.
1093
01:00:38,924 --> 01:00:40,467
Because it was just like,
1094
01:00:40,550 --> 01:00:42,802
everybody was throwing
everything out on the table
1095
01:00:42,928 --> 01:00:45,847
and taking big swings on a major stage.
1096
01:00:46,765 --> 01:00:52,103
And that we had the faith
and not only the space to do it,
1097
01:00:52,187 --> 01:00:54,689
but the support to do it was just amazing.
1098
01:00:58,735 --> 01:01:00,862
There are new challenges
and new rewards
1099
01:01:00,946 --> 01:01:03,573
that come with making longer form stories.
1100
01:01:03,907 --> 01:01:06,242
We're keeping the endings
more open now, I think.
1101
01:01:06,326 --> 01:01:08,328
We don't have to tie up every loose end.
1102
01:01:08,745 --> 01:01:11,122
And when you create characters
1103
01:01:11,206 --> 01:01:13,792
as strong as Moon Knight
and Scarlet Scarab,
1104
01:01:14,501 --> 01:01:16,419
we can confidently go into the future
1105
01:01:16,503 --> 01:01:18,880
knowing that there's more stories
left to tell
1106
01:01:18,964 --> 01:01:21,758
and new characters
that we can bring in to tell them.
1107
01:01:28,014 --> 01:01:30,475
What the hell was that?
1108
01:01:31,977 --> 01:01:33,311
I blacked out.